Something about this scene really struck me. In this scene, why does Loki deny Frigga? The correct answer is obviously ‘yes.’ It’s obvious he wants to say ‘yes.’ There’s no spiteful pleasure or sarcastic glee in his face when he says it, so he’s not enjoying it. So why does he say no?
Because the way this conversation has been set up, admitting that Frigga is his mother consequently means he admits he was lying (or at least, recants) his denial that Odin is his father. He can’t have one without the other. By yoking the two together in this way, Frigga is basically holding her motherhood of Loki hostage on the condition of Loki admitting that Odin has parental authority over him and that is something Loki will not — can not — do.
I’m certain that the equivocation (if not the cruelty inherent in it) was deliberate on Frigga’s part. Frigga has always played the role of peacemaker in this family — she did in the first movie and she’s doing it again here. She asked the question in that way precisely because she wants to force Loki to admit that Odin is his father. She’s angling to get Odin and Loki to reconcile — whether as part of a campaign to get Loki’s sentence reduced, part of a campaign to get Loki’s services available once more to the crown, or simply aiming to reduce the conflict in their household (or possibly all three.)
But to Loki, Odin is not only the man who put him here, but the liar and the hypocrite who fucked up his life in ways beyond counting. Frigga wants him to submit to Odin’s authority not only as a king, but as a parent, meaning that Odin not only has the right to sentence him legally but also to chastise him emotionally and Loki simply can not stand that, not now. So he denies Frigga — even though it is obviously hard and painful for him to do so — because it would hurt him more to have Odin as father than it would help him to have Frigga as mother.
Loki said what he did not to be cruel and spiteful to Frigga, but because he was backed into a corner. Which is kind of the story of his life lately, really.
I think, to Loki, that this is certainly the way it feels! But I don’t think that’s Frigga’s intention at all.
I’ve been in similar enough situations (though not at this level at all) to know that my point isn’t in trying to force someone to submit to how I see the world, but rather to explain it.
If Frigga can point out that Loki still views her as his mother, doesn’t then it logically follow that Odin is his father? She’s trying to help explain it, to provide an example that they can use to build a bridge on together.
We don’t know how well it would have/wouldn’t have worked, her attempts to reach out to him this way, because she dies soon after, but I so strongly felt for Frigga here. She is trying to play peacemaker, because I think she genuinely believes that Odin loves Loki and she’s trying to get Loki to remember that they love him. If she can show him that she loves him, considers him her son, then she can show him that Odin loves him and considers Loki his son.
It may not feel like that to the other person and we can definitely have a discussion about how well it would/wouldn’t work on Loki! But I genuinely see Frigga doing this out of love and hope, not out of a desire to back him to a verbal corner. And I see a world of difference between trying to build a logical parallel in the hopes of getting Loki to see her side versus trying to trap him into a verbal bear trap, you know?
Plus, I think there’s just some plain, simple desire to know that Loki hasn’t disowned them entirely, that she just wants to know that Loki still cares for her, because she loves him so much. I’ve been there! It’s not emotional manipulation, it’s an attempt to reach out and hold onto those emotional bonds, because you want them still in your life. ;__;
You could be right about how Frigga is approaching it; I was focusing more on why Loki felt like he had to deny it. He’d already had a few sarcastic lines to Frigga (“define ‘worse’”) but this was obviously not one of them.
All I can say is that I really, *really* don’t envy Frigga the task of trying to mediate among the strong personalities in that family.
I definitely, definitely agree that this is how Loki might be seeing Frigga’s intentions towards him and I just. Oh, sweet baby boo. Why do you do this to me? Why do you always make me hurt so much?
At the same time, it’s so interesting to look at the way Loki… I don’t think he’s deliberately twisting these things, that there are grains of truth among the greater sea of misinterpretation, and I think he probably genuinely believes a lot of this (or at least it haunts his thoughts), so there’s this really strong sense of cognitive dissonance and that’s a lot of what drives Loki.
Those two conflicting beliefs in his head (she’s his mother, she’s not his mother, they’re his family, they’re not his family, he loves them, he doesn’t love them, he hates them, he doesn’t hate them, she’s trying to reach out to him, she’s putting him into a logic devil’s trap, etc.) just drive him up the wall until he wants everything to just break already (or wants himself to break) so that he’ll stop feeling like this. So that he’ll make sense again.
i love losing followers. go you weaklings. you will never survive the winter
I’m laughing way harder than I should
why have i not seen this thing before
a fairytale were a young girl is kidnapped and forced to marry a demon king and instead of being like no! never! shes like fine as long as i get to help you destroy and hes like lol cool but soon shes doing a bit too much and her husband king is like okay enough power and shes like bye see you in the dungeon and hes like what and hes dragged away cause now everyone is more loyal to her and she reigns over the underworld and the surface world with a cold iron fist
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Karon’s like “not again..”
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"oh my god it’s 19:45 what is my life"
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